Humble & Fred

Humble & Fred is a Toronto-based Canadian radio show, featuring co-hosts "Humble" Howard Glassman and Fred Patterson, which has aired on a variety of Greater Toronto Area radio stations since 1989.

History

Background

What eventually became the Humble & Fred show got initiated in 1989 by the incoming CFNY-FM program director Danny Kingsbury who wanted to stabilize the station's morning show situation that had been in flux for several years already ever since longtime Pete & Geets show went off the air in 1987.^[1] After the aging duo left, the slot was taken over by 27-year-old MuchMusic VJ Steve Anthony who did the morning radio show in parallel with his music television job; due to a non-competing clause in his MuchMusic contract, in order to take the CFNY offer, he had to obtain MuchMusic's permission.^[2] Different factors — such as having to fill the beloved morning duo's shoes, choosing to devote more attention to his TV job than his radio gig,^[1] and maintaining a party lifestyle that on multiple occasions resulted in him missing work in the morning^[3] as well as facing a situation in which the radio station suddenly switched to a Top 40 format — led to Anthony's relatively quick departure from CFNY by the end of 1988.^[2] A number of hosts were then given the morning slot, including Scot Turner and Randy Taylor, none of whom panned out either,^[1] which is when the newly arrived program director Kingsbury began looking for a more permanent solution.

CFNY's morning show instability during the 1987-1989 period reflected the management and ownership turmoil at the station in the same period that began after longtime program director David Marsden got moved to the director of operations position in 1987. Taking over the PD post was his longtime deputy and on-air personality Don Berns who continued the "Spirit of Radio" concept that Marsden himself largely created and fostered over the years. However, the station's corporate owner, Selkirk Communications (itself going through the process of being sold to Maclean-Hunter), wasn't happy with the way things are at CFNY, letting Marsden go during 1988 followed by ordering a format change to Top 40 hits late in the year and installing general sales manager Jim Fonger to oversee the switch by promoting him to Marsden's post.^[4] The switch resulted in a tarted up playlist that suddenly included acts and tracks like Madonna, Michael Jackson, Bon Jovi, Janet Jackson, George Michael's "Monkey", etc. — something unthinkable up to that point.^[5] Berns resigned his program director duties shortly though staying on as DJ, and even though the format change quickly resulted in station's overall listener ratings increasing from CFNY's average 500,000 to 700,000, research showed this new audience to be mostly composed of those who listen for very short periods of time that were thus of limited appeal to advertisers.^[4] Since it failed to bring in new revenue, in addition to alienating CFNY's loyal listener base,^[5] the Top 40 experiment was discontinued by summer 1989, only seven months after it was implemented.^[5] By this time, Selkirk Communications' sale to Maclean-Hunter had been finalized and the new owners ordered a return to the alternative format along with bringing in new management that included new director of programming and operations Reiner Schwarz and new program director Danny Kingsbury.

In summer 1989 when Kingsbury offered him the CFNY morning show in Toronto, 29-year-old Howard Glassman had been working for a year at Montreal's CJFM-FM, hosting a program with Jeff Lumby. CFNY's original offer was for both Glassman and Lumby to move to Toronto to host the proposed Jeff & Howard Show — with the additional plan to attach Fred Patterson as the sports guy, a role he performed on previous CFNY morning shows with Turner, Taylor, Anthony and even before that with Pete & Geets — however, Lumby turned the offer down while Glassman called Kingsbury back to express interest in coming over by himself.^[6] Patterson was then flown to Montreal so that he and Glassman can be introduced to one another and determine whether they mesh enough on a personal level to broadcast together on a daily basis.^[7] Soon after, the deal was made.^[6]

In addition to bringing in a new morning man Glassman, the station also promoted its overnight host Alan Cross by moving him to the afternoon drive time shift and hired Dani Elwell as the new evening host Mondays through Thursdays from 8pm until midnight, giving her the freedom to musically program the last hour of her shift, named Alternative Bedtime Hour, as she pleased.

CFNY years

The morning drive time program began in August 1989 on CFNY-FM with Glassman as the sole host while Patterson was a sports anchor, although as the duo's comedic banter became an increasingly prominent feature of the show Patterson was eventually promoted to a full co-host. Another frequent on-air contributor was the show's producer Dan Duran who simultaneously with working at CFNY and Humble & Fred also pursued side jobs as voice performer, TV personality, and aspiring actor.

The new morning show posted solid ratings from the get go, despite facing some opposition from the station's staff, including the afternoon drive time host Alan Cross who wasn't a big fan of Humble & Fred at the time.^[6] With the legacy of the "Spirit of Radio" concept looming large over CFNY and especially with all the turmoil at the station in the two years since legendary program director and creator of "Spirit of Radio" David Marsden left in 1987, many of the remaining staff from those days were intent on seeing CFNY continue to be run the way it had been under Marsden.^[1] They mostly saw the station's new morning man Glassman and his show as more examples of conventional corporate trends being injected into CFNY, generally treating him with contempt.^[1] Though Marsden's "Spirit of Radio" concept had officially been laid to rest — with CFNY FM 102 "Toronto's Modern Rock" now used in promos and playlists being rotated more often than before — the station still retained a lot of its old essence, playing The Pixies, New Order's "Round & Round", Depeche Mode, but also championing the emerging Madchester scene as well as Nine Inch Nails' debut Pretty Hate Machine.^[5]

In May 1991, only year and a half after taking the CFNY job, Glassman left the station for CKFM-FM, citing dissatisfaction with CFNY's overall organizational structure and the way it was being run day to day:

Patterson remained at CFNY, getting paired with Scot Turner while Maie Pauts acted as the third voice on the show. The setup didn't last long as Turner got fired in 1992 and a temporary host took his place alongside Patterson.

Humble returns, The Edge years

At the end of 1992, only 19 months after leaving, Glassman returned to CFNY^[8][9] that had several months earlier finished re-branding into CFNY 102.1 The Leading Edge along with a new format and management, including new general manager Vince DiMaggio and new program director Stewart Meyers that Maclean-Hunter put in charge of implementing the changes.^[10] The format change was accompanied with a large reduction in staff, either through resignations or layoffs, including departures of some well-known on-air personalities such as Chris Sheppard, Lee Carter, and Dani Elwell. Dissatisfied with the changes at the station, Elwell famously resigned on the air in August 1992 followed by reading out her resume while Carter wrote a scathing rebuke of the station's new direction from an insider's perspective that got published by a Toronto alternative weekly newspaper.^[4] Glassman's return to CFNY was facilitated by Patterson who survived the layoffs as well as the new general manager DiMaggio and program director Meyers who sold Glassman on the idea of a new format despite him not originally being interested in going back.^[6]

Unlike the station's 1980s "Spirit of Radio" days under David Marsden, when no song would be played twice in a 24-hour period, the new format CFNY became a highly programmed station with current hit songs by then popular acts like Nirvana, Pearl Jam, Soundgarden, Alice in Chains, Stone Temple Pilots, Red Hot Chili Peppers, etc. in heavy rotation throughout the day including in the morning during Humble & Fred. Jumping on the bandwagon of the rapidly emerging alternative rock and grunge musical genres, the station's new format became an immediate ratings winner while the irreverent Humble and Fred morning duo was also proving a good fit. Not long after their late 1992 reunion, Humble and Fred introduced a bit called "Number 1 in '97", sarcastically announcing their intent of becoming "number 1" without really going into the specifics. Playing up their perceived underdog status while mocking their own supposed low ratings, it implored the audience to stay with the show because it was going to be number 1 by 1997, becoming the signature Humble & Fred bit for a few years. Another regular bit was 'The Humble Report', delivered by Glassman each morning as a funny five-minute take on the news.

By summer 1993, the show built a sufficient profile in Toronto that CFNY 102.1 The Leading Edge's main rival radio station Q107 approached the duo, offering a move for substantially more money. Glassman and Patterson accepted the terms in principal, however, once CFNY learned of Q107's offer, they matched it and Humble & Fred stayed. Years later, without specifically mentioning whether this is in jest or not, Humble talked on the air about doctoring Q107's offer by adding an extra C$10,000 to it before showing it to CFNY, which they then matched.

With a group of interns like Danger Boy (Jason Barr) and Chicken Shawarma (Jeff Domet), both of whom would get regular on-air opportunities via promotional stunts, as well as the show's third voice Mary Ellen Beninger who read news and traffic reports in addition to occasionally bantering with the guys, the morning zoo show was steadily gaining listeners among the 18 to 34 year old demographic. Humble & Fred producer Dan Duran, by now fairly established Toronto radio and television personality, also frequently got on the microphone, adding to the show's popularity. Comedian Pete Cugno a.k.a. Scary Pete was also associated with the show, recording comedic commentaries and satirical songs. At the time of his late 1992 return to CFNY, Glassman had already been part of The Dini Petty Show, a nationally broadcast daytime television program in Canada airing on CTV, where he made weekly appearances every Thursday in a comedy framed 5-8 minute segment titled 'Professional Husband'. The two shows, owned by different companies and aimed at completely different audience demographics, had no direct cross promotion, but shared some of the staff including Humble & Fred producer Dan Duran who simultaneously worked as announcer on Dini. Furthermore, Glassman's Dini segments often contained mentions of the Humble & Fred radio show including an entire segment on it in addition to featuring occasional uncredited appearances by Patterson. The weekly segment eventually ended in 1995.

In 1994, the show's producer Dan Duran left Humble & Fred after getting promoted to co-host on Dini. Danger Boy (Jason Barr) took over the producing duties. Around the same time, Maclean-Hunter, the entity that owned CFNY 102.1 The Leading Edge got sold to Rogers Communications that was subsequently, in accordance with Canadian media concentration laws, forced to sell off the station to its competitor Shaw Communications.

By fall 1995, Humble & Fred became the number one morning show in Toronto among the 18 to 34 year olds with both males and females, however, on suggestion from program director Meyers they chose to ignore this information on air in order to continue with the popular "number 1 in '97" bit.^[6] With his profile increased, Humble began getting television offers that led to him joining Ed's Night Party, weekly late-night comedy talk show that aired on Citytv, which he did in parallel with his daily radio morning show duties; however, his involvement with the programme ended amid acrimony with its creator and star Steven Kerzner after only a season.^[11][12]

The program got named the best morning show in Canada in early 1997, an award given out by the Canadian Association of Broadcasters.^[13] Though never guest intensive, the show's increased profile brought more promotional guest segments with actors and musicians plugging projects aimed at the younger demographic, either via in-studio appearances or phone-ins. One such phone-in during February 1997 with venerable Canadian stage actor Al Waxman of the King of Kensington fame — whose thoroughly uncooperative attitude quickly devolved the conversation into an uncomfortable and awkward exchange — gained long term notoriety on the show with both hosts often bringing it up in years to come.^[7][13]

With the highly publicized 2 September 1997 arrival of a multimillion-dollar American syndicated radio juggernaut The Howard Stern Show to Toronto via 102.1 The Edge's main rival station Q107 (owned at the time by Western International Communications),^[14] most players on the city's radio market, especially rock format stations aiming their content at young male demo, braced themselves for a potential hit in terms of the listeners they were likely to surrender to high-profile and raunchy Stern. Following a huge start ratings-wise along with a shocking one content-wise that caused a lot of negative reaction in Canada,^{[15][16][17][18][19]} Stern's Toronto numbers on Q107 somewhat sagged and stabilized by Christmas 1997,^[20] though he undeniably managed to establish himself as major player on the city's radio market,^[21] taking a significant chunk of Humble & Fred's audience in the process.^[22] In response, 102.1 The Edge hired the services of various radio consultants for the purposes of tweaking the show's content in order to better compete against Stern. As a result, Humble & Fred put together a listener contest consisting of scatological and/or otherwise disgusting tasks put before contestants competing for prizes ranging from $25,000 to a used car. Its popularity spawned a series of such contests on Humble & Fred all throughout the late 1990s.^[23] By the June 1998 ratings book, Humble & Fred managed to recover most of the audience they lost to Stern, regaining their customary 4.7% of the overall market in Toronto after being pushed down to 3.5% the previous fall when newly arrived Stern dominated the ratings.^[22] Simultaneously, in the first four months of 1998, Stern lost 20% of his Toronto audience or 100,000 people, majority of them women.^[24]

In 1998, Mary Ellen Benninger moved on to another station and got replaced by Sandra Plagakis. In 1999, Shaw Communications decided to carve out its media assets, including 102.1 The Edge, Q107, and Talk 640 into a newly created corporation called Corus Entertainment.

Move to AM: Mojo 640

Humble & Fred remained with 102.1 The Edge until April 2001, when they got re-assigned to Mojo 640, another Corus Entertainment asset, while getting replaced on 102.1 The Edge by Dean Blundell who got brought over from the Windsor market. Their move to Mojo 640 took place as part of its makeover from the old Talk 640 and heavily promoted re-launch that included a call letter change. Now billed as "Talk Radio for Guys", the AM station ambitiously set about going after the 25 to 54 male demographic with a whole new on-air lineup that in addition to Humble & Fred included some well-known Toronto radio personalities such as John Derringer, Maie Pauts, Scruff Connors, Spider Jones, etc. featuring "talk, sports, health and fitness, career and investment tips, gear, gadgets, cars, and sex".^[25] Jumping on the early 2000s lad culture bandwagon, the station looked to build an audience by catering to consumers of Maxim and FHM, high-circulation men's magazines whose content relied on semi-nude women, cars, and sports.^[26] That being the case, Mojo's on-air personalities were encouraged to be risque and push the envelope.^[1] Corus further obtained radio broadcasting rights of the Toronto Maple Leafs games, programming much of Mojo's schedule around them with added content such as analysis shows like Leafs Lunch.

Humble & Fred's particular move to the AM dial got initiated by the Corus president John Cassaday who approached Glassman and Patterson in December 2000 at Corus' Christmas party to personally inform them of the company's plans to completely retool its AM asset Talk 640, offering them the re-launched station's morning slot as "a job that they could potentially do until retirement".^[6] Being 40 and 43 years of age at the time, respectively, Glassman and Patterson talked in later interviews about such line of thinking — youth-oriented 102.1 The Edge perhaps no longer being the best fit for their show as they age into their 40s and a resulting feeling they'd have to leave it sooner or later anyway — resonating with them at the time as they pondered moving to a station targeting a bit older crowd.^[6] Their additional motivation in joining an AM talk station was a chance to broadcast without having to play 7-8 songs per hour, something they grew extremely frustrated with at 102.1 The Edge over the years and ultimately unsuccessful in trying to get their bosses to scale back.^[6]

However, the Mojo 640 move soon presented other problems such as the station's entire schedule continuing to suffer from low ratings even after the much-publicized makeover and re-launch.^[27] Initial reviews of Humble & Fred in the new setting weren't stellar either with William Burrill, a Toronto Star columnist who previously collaborated with Humble on Ed's Night Party, feeling that Humble and Fred were much better than the "early Mojo mould of jocks dumbing it down for 'da guys'",^[28] further quipping that "putting Humble Howard on the all-guy, sports-oriented radio station is kind of like putting Wayne Gretzky on a team that plays nothing but hockey's so-called neutral zone trap".^[29]

By fall 2001, Corus brought in famous radio executive John Hayes in radio division president capacity who reportedly wasn't a fan of the Mojo concept from the get go.^[1][30] Steady number of complaints over the station's tone and its basic 'men only' format resulted in the language being toned down, gradually leading to watering down of the on-air product. This trend particularly intensified after even the Maple Leafs president Ken Dryden complained to the station's management about several things said by Mojo on-air personalities.^[1][30] Though the station slightly improved the size of its target 25-to-44 demographic audience in the fall 2002 rating reports, it was still ranked only 16th in a 33-station Toronto market.^[26]

Glassman and Patterson can be seen in the 2003 documentary film Flyerman, which features footage of the duo broadcasting live to air at Mojo.

Back to FM: Mix 99.9

In August 2003, Humble & Fred, by then named Best Morning Show in Canada four times by the Canadian Association of Broadcasters,^[31] moved to Mix 99.9, an FM station owned by Standard Broadcasting, replacing Carla Collins who reportedly decided to leave due to finding it too difficult to continue doing a daily morning radio show alongside her television obligations.^[32] After Jeff Marek filled in initially,^[32] John Oakley became the duo's permanent replacement at Mojo.^[33]

The Humble & Fred transfer from Mojo to Mix, one of several high-profile radio morning show changes in the Toronto market during summer 2003,^[34] received due coverage in Toronto-based print media including Mix program director Pat Holiday's quote about the duo's move being motivated by their desire "to be in the top echelon of morning shows with numbers and listeners" while Mojo's program director Scott Armstrong stated they left "due to being interested in a music format, which Mojo obviously couldn't offer".^[32] Years later, in different interviews, Glassman and Patterson talked about the details of their Mix 99.9 transfer that were not public knowledge at the time, including a revelation that their primary motivation to move was Standard Broadcasting's offer of a 5-year guaranteed contract for each performer along with a significant pay raise and better bonus structure compared to what they were getting from Corus Entertainment at Mojo 640.^[1][6][30] They also discussed behind the scenes events during their unsuccessful contract re-negotiations with Corus that dragged throughout late 2002 and the first part of 2003 before Standard came in with its generous offer that they took as well as Corus' last minute attempt to keep them, which the duo rebuffed having already signed with Standard.^[1][6][30]

Despite being back on the FM dial whose dynamics they were well familiar with having had a successful program on an FM station for a long time, arriving at Mix 99.9, a station programmed around the contemporary hit radio format with a conventional and somewhat conservative listener base, required significant adjustment in their performance style that had prior to that generally been geared towards offbeat humour and risque conversations. Furthermore, Mix's promotional strategy included frequent lavish giveaways that Humble & Fred now had to participate in^[35] thus further interrupting the show's flow. The station gave the duo a big promotional push that most notably included transit poster ads placed prominently on the Toronto subway. However, their ratings were consistently tepid as it became clear that very little of their audience from the 102.1 The Edge and Mojo 640 days followed them to Mix 99.9 while they also had trouble attracting new listeners.

In August 2005, Patterson was relieved of his duties with Mix 99.9 (though he remained under contract), with struggling ratings cited as a factor in the station's decision to shake up the show.^[36][37] When Patterson was released, there was significant curiosity about the true story behind the occurrence. Glassman was not able to say anything on the air, but he did offer contact information for his personal BlackBerry and readily invited those curious to contact him for the actual story.

Humble continues at Mix 99.9 without Fred

The show got re-billed as the Humble Howard Morning Show with Judy Croon as the new co-host and Bingo Bob who continued as producer. However, less than a year later in July 2006, Humble was fired and the show was removed from Mix 99.9's schedule due to poor listernship.^[38] It was temporarily replaced by Steve Anthony. Mad Dog and Billie took over the slot on a permanent basis on 8 August 2006.

After reuniting for a Christmas show podcast in 2006, their first time on-air together since being separated in August 2005, Glassman and Patterson continued the practice of occasionally reconvening for one-off podcasts. The initial podcasts were recorded at former producer Dan Duran's house, before deciding to do one as a small event on location with special guests and a live audience — their May 2009 podcast at Dominion on Queen pub, celebrating the 20th anniversary of Humble & Fred going on air with guests Nick Kypreos and Tyler Stewart of Barenaked Ladies.^[39] Altogether, eight podcast shows were recorded and released between 2006 and 2010.

The Christmas show tradition

One of Humble & Fred annual traditions on terrestrial radio was its "Gift of Christmas" show. Broadcast live from location, usually a downtown Toronto hospitality establishment, multiple Christmas shows were done from the Horseshoe Tavern while the last few were held in the Courthouse restaurant. Longtime performers on the Christmas shows included the Doo Wops comedy group, and various members of Barenaked Ladies.

The last Christmas show on terrestrial radio took place without Patterson on 23 December 2005. One year later, when neither Humble nor Fred were on radio anymore, the 17th annual Humble & Fred Christmas show was held and recorded at former producer Dan Duran's house on 16 December 2006 and subsequently made available from the duo's website as a free podcast.^[40] In December 2010, now employed at different radio stations, the duo reconvened to do another Christmas show, this time at the studio of Toronto's 103.9 Proud FM, that was again released as a free podcast.^[41]

Re-launch on the internet

On 15 October 2011, more than six years removed from the last time they were on air together (other than the occasional one-off joint podcast in the meantime), Humble and Fred re-launched the daily show, this time distributed online as a podcast.^[42] Their reunion came in the wake of both their recent individual firings from terrestrial stations — Humble got let go from his morning show job at Boom 97.3 in Toronto earlier that year in April while Fred was released from Peterborough's The Wolf 101.5 in July where he worked behind the scenes as program director.^[43] Now producing daily content in a stripped down podcasting operation they launched by reportedly investing only C$3,500 in equipment^[44] with initially no paid employees other than themselves and a business model based on keeping costs low, Humble and Fred stated from the start that they would welcome a return to a corporate-owned commercial radio entity.^[43] To that end, the duo made a conscious decision to approach their daily internet podcast the same way they produced their morning show on corporate radio for 16 years, which entailed renting a space to create the podcast from as opposed to doing it from either one of their homes, converting the said space into a makeshift studio, and striving for broadcast-quality daily content that could potentially be played on radio.

Soon after launching, the addition of Bill Herz, recently retired former vice president of sales for Standard and Astral Radio and the duo's good friend, to the podcast in consulting capacity was announced.^[45] His work on the show mostly involves selling advertising spots via a personal network of contacts he managed to develop in the business over the years and his compensation is commission based.^[30] The podcast also began providing unpaid internships for a school credit, mostly to radio and television students at Greater Toronto Area post-secondary institutions. One such intern, Phil Hong, eventually got added to the paid staff as a technical producer.

Barely a few months into their podcasting, the duo's limited return of sorts to terrestrial radio was announced via a deal with Rogers Media that saw their podcast being promoted on 19 of the company's radio stations' websites across the country, and on the stations themselves as well as on Rogers' smartphone app.^[27] It came about via Rogers Media executive Julie Adam who, having been a fan of the duo's previous work, reached out to them and eventually agreed the deal that she referred as company's "experiment with digital content".

Brief returns to terrestrial radio

In June 2012, Humble & Fred joined K-Rock 105.7, a Rogers Media owned station from Kingston, Ontario, to fill in its morning slot for the summer. Though now commencing production of a 6-9 a.m. terrestrial radio morning show for the Kingston market, they also continued with their daily internet podcast. They did their K-Rock 105.7 show from Toronto rather than moving to Kingston, which aroused some controversy in Kingston's local print media.^[46]

In January 2013, the duo announced a deal with Astral Media for a late-night terrestrial radio comedy show, featuring a mix of their new and previously podcasted material.^[47] As part of the deal, the duo additionally got to do guest segments on Astral's various properties such as John Moore's morning show on Newstalk 1010 and John Tory's afternoon drive time program Live Drive on the same station. The new program — a cleaned up version of their daily internet 2-hour podcast with profanity taken out and reformatted into four 25-minute bits that can be played with terrestrial station breaks in-between^[48] — began airing on 21 January 2013, weeknights 12-2 a.m., on Astral's two comedy-format radio stations, Funny 820 in Hamilton and Funny 1410 in London, as well as on Newstalk 1010 in Toronto. Potential expansion via syndication to other stations was also announced.^[49] and within weeks they got added to the Newstalk 610's (another Astral station, serving Niagara Region) nightly schedule from 10pm until midnight.^[50]

Move to satellite radio

On 7 May 2013, Sirius XM Canada announced Humble & Fred as the new 7 a.m. morning show on their newly re-branded Canada Laughs channel that had been known as Laugh Attack up to that point.^[51] They began two days later on 9 May as a two-hour live weekday morning broadcast. The latest deal put the duo in a unique position of being on three different platforms every day — first broadcasting their daily 2-hour show live on satellite radio every morning, then making the same content available as a podcast followed by having the slightly altered version of the same content air that evening on AM terrestrial radio. Soon after getting on satellite, the show added Eileen Ross (formerly with Rogers Media where Humble and Fred previously collaborated with her on promotional material as part of their Rogers deal) as a third on-air voice while her duties also involved booking guests.

In late April 2014, Humble & Fred got into a mini-controversy with the Sirius XM's flagship show, Opie and Anthony. Their on-air statement "Opie and Anthony aren't funny but Jim Norton is..." caused a mainly one-sided mini brouhaha. The duo were worthy of mention on the O&A panel discussion on a May 23 Jocktober show where Opie's fans defaced and overloaded Humble & Fred's website and Facebook page. The four morning hosts made up on the May 28th show when Humble & Fred called into O&A to discuss the misunderstanding, morning radio and the city of Toronto.

The show celebrated its 25th anniversary with an event at the Horseshoe Tavern that aired live on SiriusXM Canada starting at 8pm on 5 November 2014 featuring numerous guests, including the newly inaugurated Mayor of Toronto and the duo's former radio colleague John Tory and Hockey Night in Canada's new host George Stroumboulopoulos.^[52]

After airing for two and a half years, the nightly AM radio show that came about as part of the content licensing deal with Astral Media got cancelled in July 2015.^[53] In early June 2016, after performing as the show's third voice for three years, Eileen Ross got released. Her release was announced by co-hosts Humble and Fred midway through the 6 June 2016 show without providing any details other than it being part of the show's "re-positioning". After some negative listener reaction, they further discussed her departure the next day live on air in an 11-minute segment, stating they're now doing so despite originally not planning on addressing the reasons they're no longer working with Ross "out of wanting to be discreet, sensitive, and empathetic". Without going into specifics they further stated that a lot went into the decision including "personal issues and circumstances" and "their desire to take the show into a slightly different direction by concentrating on some Humble & Fred hallmarks that involve just Humble and Fred".

References

External links

• HumbleAndFred.com Archived
• Humble & Fred Twitter